antisemitismus, kurzfristige absage

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Schilly69
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Re: antisemitismus, kurzfristige absage

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Gerne, hier ist die deutsche Übersetzung des Auszugs aus der englischen Wikipedia:

Im Juni 2025, während seines Wahlkampfs für das Amt des Bürgermeisters von New York City, wurde Zohran Mamdani im Podcast The Bulwark nach dem Ausdruck „Globalize the Intifada“ gefragt. Er beschrieb diesen als symbolischen Aufruf zur Wahrung der Menschenrechte der Palästinenser, nicht als Aufruf zu Gewalt oder Antisemitismus, und fügte hinzu:

„Diese Worte haben für viele Menschen unterschiedliche Bedeutungen … Ich habe deutlich gemacht, dass ich jede Aufstachelung zur Gewalt ablehne.“
Er sagte außerdem, das Wort „Intifada“ sei vom US Holocaust Memorial Museum (USHMM) in arabischen Übersetzungen verwendet worden, um auf den jüdischen Widerstand im Zweiten Weltkrieg Bezug zu nehmen.

Als er später im Juni in der Sendung The Brian Lehrer Show erneut nach dem Ausdruck gefragt wurde, erklärte er:

„Das ist keine Sprache, die ich verwende. Die Sprache, die ich verwende, ist eine der Klarheit, und ich glaube nicht, dass es Aufgabe eines Bürgermeisters ist, Sprache zu überwachen.“
Seine Aussagen im Interview mit The Bulwark stießen auf scharfe Kritik, unter anderem vom USHMM selbst sowie von jüdischen Persönlichkeiten des öffentlichen Lebens, darunter:

der US-Kongressabgeordnete aus Florida Ted Deutch
Jonathan Greenblatt von der Anti-Defamation League (ADL)
der frühere Vizepräsident des World Jewish Congress, Marc Schneier
Rabbi Ammiel Hirsch
der US-Kongressabgeordnete aus New York Dan Goldman
sowie der Kolumnist von The Atlantic, Jonathan Chait.
Das USHMM erklärte in einem Statement, ohne Mamdani namentlich zu nennen:

„Das Museum und den Aufstand im Warschauer Ghetto zu instrumentalisieren, um den Ausdruck ‚Globalize the Intifada‘ zu verharmlosen, ist empörend und insbesondere für Überlebende verletzend. Seit 1987 wurden unter diesem Slogan Juden angegriffen und ermordet. Alle politischen Führungspersonen müssen seine Verwendung und den Missbrauch der Geschichte verurteilen.“

Der jüdische New Yorker Stadtkämmerer und ebenfalls Bürgermeisterkandidat Brad Lander verteidigte Mamdani:
„Ich mag den Ausdruck nicht … aber ich glaube, dass er jüdische New Yorker*innen und unsere Rechte schützen wird.“
Schilly69
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ansonsten empfehle ich noch: "Orientalismus und demokratische Öffentlichkeit" von Dr. Biskamp :ugeek:
Schilly69
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Re: antisemitismus, kurzfristige absage

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+ Ambiguitätstoleranz googeln
katzenoma
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jetzt hast du es nochmal wiederholt in deutsch und viel text produziert. gehst du auf meine punkte nochmal inhaltlich und idealerweise etwas kompakter ein? wäre nett, danke ❤️
Schilly69
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ansonsten empfehle ich noch: "Orientalismus und demokratische Öffentlichkeit" von Dr. Biskamp :ugeek:

da steht alles!!!!!!1!!
stopthepflok
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This thread is once again full of despicable anti-deutsche strategies.

The attempt to distract from realities with hypothetical scenarios and by supposedly intellectualizing the discourse.
The attempt to portray own knowledge as superior and to deny knowledge to those who show solidarity with Palestine, here specifically to portray them as young and ignorant (hardly in line with the very visible broad international stance and solidarity statements of so many intellectuals).
The attempt to deligitimize Palestinian solidarity by fabricating accusations of anti-Semitism (even towards progressive Israelis and Jews...., often by German Nazi descendents :roll: ).
The morally clear situation of witnessing this genocide or the occupation in general - is being obscured by intellectual language games and universalism rhetoric that ignores concrete power relations or historical inequalities, all while massive violence is happening before everyone's eyes.

All of this is having less and less of an effect because left-wing structures are increasingly seeing through these strategies and abandoning them.
Dont get distracted by it. Instead organize. Those people are an ugly minority.

So much time invested by self proclaimed “educated” people for what?
And still there isn't enough time for dealing honestly with Zionism? Today's Zionist reality bears the signature and is shaped by the ideas of a certain Vladimir Jabotinsky. His racist and colonialist ideas are deeply engraved in the Israeli state. Zionism certainly also had and has more moderate forms. But the reality of Zionism today, and the reality for many, many decades, is the displacement, expulsion, apartheid, occupation and genocide of Palestinians. And the whole thing is supported by the Trump and German governments with the help of arms exports. That's why the vast majority on the international left shake their heads in disbelief at the ultra-German defenders of Zionism, that never fail to come up with their weirdest theories. Why invest all this energy to defend Zionism, when you could be on the street to protest against the arm exports of your government supporting a genocide?

What is happening in Gaza is not ‘complexity’. It is not a discursive ambivalence, but massive, unbounded violence against a largely lawless civilian population. Those who use those strategies above, those who speaks of "ambivalence" and "complexity" in this situation are doing nothing less than relativizing the suffering of the oppressed - in the name of an abbreviated processing of history. That is not left-wing, certainly not radical left wing, that is intellectual complicity, and extremely disgusting.
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katzenoma
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the last post has no visible relation to this discussion at all. those labelled as anti-german, even if one sees their posts as questionable, are indeed the ones who express their arguments in the shortes way and on point. Reactions are long and distracting.

After a short question I get the reaction to read a whole text, while, if the poster would have understood and digested it, would be able to precisely make his/her point in a couple sentences, which would eventually allow for a discussion.

Moreover the call to stop intellectualizing and just act, not to lose oneself in too much thinking, come on man ;) "choose if You want to be left-wing or thinking" THIS is insulting readers by asuuming them to be stupid.
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stopthepflok hat geschrieben: Di 1. Jul 2025, 23:25 This thread is once again full of despicable anti-deutsche strategies.

The attempt to distract from realities with hypothetical scenarios and by supposedly intellectualizing the discourse.
The attempt to portray own knowledge as superior and to deny knowledge to those who show solidarity with Palestine, here specifically to portray them as young and ignorant (hardly in line with the very visible broad international stance and solidarity statements of so many intellectuals).
The attempt to deligitimize Palestinian solidarity by fabricating accusations of anti-Semitism (even towards progressive Israelis and Jews...., often by German Nazi descendents :roll: ).
The morally clear situation of witnessing this genocide or the occupation in general - is being obscured by intellectual language games and universalism rhetoric that ignores concrete power relations or historical inequalities, all while massive violence is happening before everyone's eyes.

All of this is having less and less of an effect because left-wing structures are increasingly seeing through these strategies and abandoning them.
Dont get distracted by it. Instead organize. Those people are an ugly minority.

So much time invested by self proclaimed “educated” people for what?
And still there isn't enough time for dealing honestly with Zionism? Today's Zionist reality bears the signature and is shaped by the ideas of a certain Vladimir Jabotinsky. His racist and colonialist ideas are deeply engraved in the Israeli state. Zionism certainly also had and has more moderate forms. But the reality of Zionism today, and the reality for many, many decades, is the displacement, expulsion, apartheid, occupation and genocide of Palestinians. And the whole thing is supported by the Trump and German governments with the help of arms exports. That's why the vast majority on the international left shake their heads in disbelief at the ultra-German defenders of Zionism, that never fail to come up with their weirdest theories. Why invest all this energy to defend Zionism, when you could be on the street to protest against the arm exports of your government supporting a genocide?

What is happening in Gaza is not ‘complexity’. It is not a discursive ambivalence, but massive, unbounded violence against a largely lawless civilian population. Those who use those strategies above, those who speaks of "ambivalence" and "complexity" in this situation are doing nothing less than relativizing the suffering of the oppressed - in the name of an abbreviated processing of history. That is not left-wing, certainly not radical left wing, that is intellectual complicity, and extremely disgusting.
Iss mal ein bisschen gekühlte Melone, die Hitze steigt dir zu Kopf.
Schilly69
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sorry, I have the PHD. :ugeek: I don't have the time to answer all your random questions. especially when you could just google it all by yourself in one sec
katzenoma
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Schilly69 hat geschrieben: Di 1. Jul 2025, 23:51 sorry, I have the PHD. :ugeek: I don't have the time to answer all your random questions. especially when you could just google it all by yourself in one sec
I have PHD too, nothing to be too proud of. Of course You don't have to clarify it, but if You did, You could convince more interested people against my arguments, thats a discussion forum, just sayin ;)
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